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- From: Michael_Nolte@k.maus.de (Michael Nolte)
- Subject: Re: Proposal 6
- Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 21:34:00 GMT
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- Michael Forget: (Christian Nieber wrote similar things)
- >How about activating text modes (bold, italics, underline, normal,
- >superscript, subscript, outline) with Shift + Control + B, I, U,
- >N, >, <, and O?
- We should recommend ALT combinations to be used (ALT-I for italic etc.)
- Also < and > shouldn't be used, because < and > are not always on two
- seperate keys. '>' is 'Shift-<' on a German keyboard, so you can't have a
- Shift-'<' combination. (Check the ' if you don't understand me right
- away.)
-
- Evan K. Langlois:
- >Re-Do should be ^G
- No way. Leave CTRL-G for "Search Next". If you want to undo something use
- the Undo key. I don't care if you use CTRL, ALT or Shift in combination
- with Undo, but changing CTRL-G doesn't make sense.
-
- Waldi Ravens:
- >If a user wants to have ^Z for quitting apllications,
- If a user doesn't want to stick to the standard, then tell him to buy a PC
- or whatever. A standard is a set of rules. You don't make rules and then
- let people decide whether or not they wan't to stick to them. Rules are
- made for everybody to stick to them. Period.
- Jesus, why in the world are we trying to establish a standard, if we can't
- get the user to stick to it? If you allow the user to change the
- shortcuts, you'll get a lot of programmers to use this as an excuse for
- not sticking to the standard. And then you might as well forget about the
- standard in the first place.
-
- Dan Wilga:
- >I have never understood the decision to make Control-U the equivalent
- >for closing the topmost window. This keypress is probably one of the
- >most commonly used, and yet it is impossible to type with one hand
- IMO it's not too hard to type CTRL-U with one hand. And since windows are
- cycled far more often than they are closed, cycling should be left where
- it is on CTRL-W.
- If you find hard to type CTRL-U then try using your little finger for CTRL
- and your index finger for U.
-
- Michael Forget:
- >People who use Mag!X, or Geneva, or MultiGEM, or the plain-old-desktop
- >would be left out in the cold.
- If you're using an alternative OS which doesn't stick to the standard,
- then blame the programmer of the "alternative" and don't blame the
- standard.
-
- Ofir Gal:
- >[>>Ofir Gal:
- >[>>>CTRL D - Abandon Window (iconify or place in menu)
- >[>>I'd prefer CTRL-H.
- >[>
- >[>Which should we use then? CTRL+D or CTRL+H?
- I'm sorry. This is the result of a misunderstanding. Of course I want the
- CTRL-H combination for "Abandon changes".
-
- K. Hollis:
- >you should be able to freely re-assign keyboard equivalents based on
- >user preference.
- But users should be told, that re-assigning keyboard equivalents should
- only be changed if it's absolutely inevitable.
-
- Annius Groenink:
- I'm for Shift-CTRL-A for "Select all". Let's vote.
- >That's why I suggested to keep Control + M as well as ShiftControl S.
- I disagree to that. *One* shortcut for *one* function. No two ways about
- it.
-
- >> I want Sh-CTRL-V as "Paste from...", because you can do it easily with
- >>one hand.
- >Weird argument...
- Maybe. But why use two ands when one could be enough? And then, if
- Sh-CTRL-C is "Append to clipboard", then I'd expect somthing like "Paste
- from..." to happen when I type Sh-CTRL-V.
-
- Christian Nieber:
- >Not quite. papyrus supports:
- >Shift CrlHome - Move to top of document
- >Ctrl ClrHome - Move to bottom of document
- And I've told Ulli ten million times to exchange Sh-Home and CTRL-Home.
- Papyrus is the only PRG I know, that does it like it does it.
-
- Stephen Norman:
- >then any edits made are appended to the cursor position, not the block.
- Yuck. No thanks.
-
- Bo Leuf:
- >How difficult would it to be in applications to implement a kind of
- >shortcut key "double-click"?
- No thanks. Don't call us, we'll call you. :-) Bye-bye.
-
- > Ctrl-A = Deselect marked (all), i.e. "Abandon" selection
- > Shift-Ctrl-A = Select all
- I support this method. I think T. Miller also supports it. That makes
- three. Anyone else?
- >I am however rather unhappy with Ctrl-G as the selection here, since
- >Crtl-G = Goto (line, page, whatever) is a very common
- I can't remember ever seeing that. I think you forgot find and replace
- previous.
- >"always do it this way or we will not endorse your application".
- This is the way, that I want things. As soon as we have the new standard,
- everybody *has to* stick to it.
-
- Bye for now.
- Michael Nolte
-